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GUN SALES UP - Barack Hussein Obama is the cause
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Elizabeth Johnson
2008-10-29 19:25:41 UTC
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GUN SALES UP - Barack Hussein Obama is the cause

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Avoid HELTER SKELTER race wars! .. Play it safe.. VOTE McCain!
Scott
2008-10-29 19:39:23 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:25:41 -0700 (PDT), Elizabeth Johnson
Post by Elizabeth Johnson
GUN SALES UP - Barack Hussein Obama is the cause
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/10/29/1000501/Guns-Sales-Up-in-Texas
Avoid HELTER SKELTER race wars! .. Play it safe.. VOTE McCain!
It's Texas...it doesn't take much to get them to buy more guns.

And FYI, they are buying them because they are afraid Obama will
pass a ban on assault rifles (which may or may not happen), not due
to any "race wars" as you incorrectly, and stupidly, imply.

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- Scott Smith: ***@iphouse.com
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Sarah Houston
2008-10-29 21:24:41 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:25:41 -0700 (PDT), Elizabeth Johnson
Post by Elizabeth Johnson
GUN SALES UP - Barack Hussein Obama is the cause
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/10/29/1000501/Guns-Sales-Up-in-Texas
Avoid HELTER SKELTER race wars! .. Play it safe.. VOTE McCain!
It's Texas...it doesn't take much to get them to buy more guns.
And FYI, they are buying them because they are afraid Obama will
pass a ban on assault rifles (which may or may not happen)
Seriously?

One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd Amendment.
Scott
2008-10-29 21:40:47 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:24:41 -0500, Sarah Houston
Post by Sarah Houston
Post by Scott
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:25:41 -0700 (PDT), Elizabeth Johnson
Post by Elizabeth Johnson
GUN SALES UP - Barack Hussein Obama is the cause
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/10/29/1000501/Guns-Sales-Up-in-Texas
Avoid HELTER SKELTER race wars! .. Play it safe.. VOTE McCain!
It's Texas...it doesn't take much to get them to buy more guns.
And FYI, they are buying them because they are afraid Obama will
pass a ban on assault rifles (which may or may not happen)
Seriously?
One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd Amendment.
Says who? The NRA? LOL

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- Scott Smith: ***@iphouse.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
RD (The Sandman)
2008-10-30 17:06:55 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:24:41 -0500, Sarah Houston
Post by Sarah Houston
Post by Scott
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:25:41 -0700 (PDT), Elizabeth Johnson
Post by Elizabeth Johnson
GUN SALES UP - Barack Hussein Obama is the cause
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/10/29/1000501/Guns-Sales-Up-in-Texas
Avoid HELTER SKELTER race wars! .. Play it safe.. VOTE McCain!
It's Texas...it doesn't take much to get them to buy more guns.
And FYI, they are buying them because they are afraid Obama will
pass a ban on assault rifles (which may or may not happen)
Seriously?
One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd Amendment.
Says who? The NRA? LOL
Obama's own record:

Obama....

voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms
industry.(1)

Wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.(2)

Voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and
sport shooting.(3)

Has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.(2)

Supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.
(4)

Voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who
use firearms in self-defense.(5)

Supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.(6)

Refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual
Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

Opposes Right to Carry laws.(7)

Was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation from 1994
to 2002, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and
"research."(8)

Supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or
park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.(9)

Voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records
searches on them.(10)

Voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card
age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in
the military.(11)

Favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.(12)

Supports mandatory micro-stamping (A function that currently is not
viable).(13)

Mandatory waiting periods regardless of the outcome of the background
check.(2)

Supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on
gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits
against firearm dealers and manufacturers.(14)

Supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.(9)

Supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.(9)

Supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money
is going to police departments for
replacement equipment.(9)

Supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a
ban on gun ownership for
persons under the age of 21.(9)

Supports banning the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic
weapons;

Supports ballistic fingerprinting (which a study done by the AG of
California showed not to work)

Supports an increase in state restrictions on the purchase and possession
of firearms;

Supports a requirement that all manufacturers to provide child-safety
locks with firearms;

Feels that middle class America is "clinging to guns and religion" due to
being embittered by the economy;





(1) United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 2, 2005.
(http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cf
m.cfm?co ngress=109&session=1&vote=00219)

(2) Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization
general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this
survey were described in "Obama had greater role on liberal survey,"
Politico, March 31, 20087.
(http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)

(3) United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July
2, 2005.
(http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cf
m.cfm?co ngress=109&session=1&vote=00217)

(4) David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense
Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog,
http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08.
(http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html)

(5) Illinois Senate, March 25, 2004 SB 2165, vote 20.

(6) "Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record." Obama '08,
December 11, 2007.
(http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_o
bamas_c. php)

(7) "Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,"
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama
Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04.
(http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)

(8) 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.
(http://www.joycefdn.org/pdf/98_AnnualReport.pdf)

(9) "Obama and Gun Control," The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the
Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999.
(http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)

(10) Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

(11) Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB
2163, vote 18.

(12) "Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control," Radio Iowa, Sunday, April
22, 2007.
(http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html)

(13) Chicago Tribune blogs, "Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for
action," February 15, 2008,
(http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_o
n_shoot. html)

(14) Barack Obama campaign website: "As president, Barack Obama would
repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . ."
(http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman


"Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that
matter...don't mind...And those that mind...don't matter."
Scott
2008-10-30 17:15:02 UTC
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:06:55 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by Scott
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:24:41 -0500, Sarah Houston
Post by Sarah Houston
Post by Scott
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:25:41 -0700 (PDT), Elizabeth Johnson
Post by Elizabeth Johnson
GUN SALES UP - Barack Hussein Obama is the cause
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/10/29/1000501/Guns-Sales-Up-in-Texas
Avoid HELTER SKELTER race wars! .. Play it safe.. VOTE McCain!
It's Texas...it doesn't take much to get them to buy more guns.
And FYI, they are buying them because they are afraid Obama will
pass a ban on assault rifles (which may or may not happen)
Seriously?
One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd Amendment.
Says who? The NRA? LOL
Yes, he has a record for voting in favor of gun controls....but that's
a long ways away from taking everyones guns away or "utterly
destroying the 2nd Amendment".

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- Scott Smith: ***@iphouse.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
RD (The Sandman)
2008-10-30 18:28:24 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:06:55 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by Scott
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:24:41 -0500, Sarah Houston
Post by Sarah Houston
Post by Scott
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:25:41 -0700 (PDT), Elizabeth Johnson
Post by Elizabeth Johnson
GUN SALES UP - Barack Hussein Obama is the cause
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/10/29/1000501/Guns-Sales-Up-in-
Texas
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
Post by Sarah Houston
Post by Scott
Post by Elizabeth Johnson
Avoid HELTER SKELTER race wars! .. Play it safe.. VOTE McCain!
It's Texas...it doesn't take much to get them to buy more guns.
And FYI, they are buying them because they are afraid Obama will
pass a ban on assault rifles (which may or may not happen)
Seriously?
One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd
Amendment.
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
Says who? The NRA? LOL
Yes, he has a record for voting in favor of gun controls....but that's
a long ways away from taking everyones guns away or "utterly
destroying the 2nd Amendment".
Look at them in total. The Second Amendment would be rather worthless if
he got all those things.
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman


"Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that
matter...don't mind...And those that mind...don't matter."
Scott
2008-10-30 18:39:33 UTC
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:28:24 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by Sarah Houston
Post by Scott
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:06:55 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by Scott
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:24:41 -0500, Sarah Houston
Post by Sarah Houston
Post by Scott
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:25:41 -0700 (PDT), Elizabeth Johnson
Post by Elizabeth Johnson
GUN SALES UP - Barack Hussein Obama is the cause
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/10/29/1000501/Guns-Sales-Up-in-
Texas
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
Post by Sarah Houston
Post by Scott
Post by Elizabeth Johnson
Avoid HELTER SKELTER race wars! .. Play it safe.. VOTE McCain!
It's Texas...it doesn't take much to get them to buy more guns.
And FYI, they are buying them because they are afraid Obama will
pass a ban on assault rifles (which may or may not happen)
Seriously?
One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd
Amendment.
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
Says who? The NRA? LOL
Yes, he has a record for voting in favor of gun controls....but that's
a long ways away from taking everyones guns away or "utterly
destroying the 2nd Amendment".
Look at them in total. The Second Amendment would be rather worthless if
he got all those things.
Based on the biased NRA type of language you use in your
interpretation of some of his stances, I question the validity
of most of them.

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- Scott Smith: ***@iphouse.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
RD (The Sandman)
2008-10-30 20:24:42 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:28:24 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by Sarah Houston
Post by Scott
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:06:55 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by Scott
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:24:41 -0500, Sarah Houston
Post by Sarah Houston
Post by Scott
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:25:41 -0700 (PDT), Elizabeth Johnson
Post by Elizabeth Johnson
GUN SALES UP - Barack Hussein Obama is the cause
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/10/29/1000501/Guns-Sales-Up-in-
Texas
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
Post by Sarah Houston
Post by Scott
Post by Elizabeth Johnson
Avoid HELTER SKELTER race wars! .. Play it safe.. VOTE McCain!
It's Texas...it doesn't take much to get them to buy more guns.
And FYI, they are buying them because they are afraid Obama will
pass a ban on assault rifles (which may or may not happen)
Seriously?
One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd
Amendment.
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
Says who? The NRA? LOL
Yes, he has a record for voting in favor of gun controls....but
that's a long ways away from taking everyones guns away or "utterly
destroying the 2nd Amendment".
Look at them in total. The Second Amendment would be rather worthless
if he got all those things.
Based on the biased NRA type of language you use in your
interpretation of some of his stances, I question the validity
of most of them.
Then, mon ami, feel free to check out the references supplied. Don't
take my word for it, go look for yourself.
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman


"Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that
matter...don't mind...And those that mind...don't matter."
Benj
2008-10-30 18:48:10 UTC
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Post by Scott
Yes, he has a record for voting in favor of gun controls....but that's
a long ways away from taking everyones guns away or "utterly
destroying the 2nd Amendment".
What part of the word "infringe" are you having a problem with?

Is a ban on certain types of firearms an "infringement"?
Is a ban on certain kinds of ammo an "infringement"?
Is allowing one person (the AG) to decide which firearms can be owned
an "infringement"?
Is registration of all gun owners and guns an "infringement"?
Is proving you are not a criminal before exercising a right an
"infringement"?
Is banning firearms that the poor can afford (remember Jim Crow?) an
"infringement"?
Is banning all handguns an "infringement"?
Is making use of a firearm for self-defense a crime an
"infringement"?
Is "gun control" an "infringement"?

Are you a moron?
Scott
2008-10-30 18:57:12 UTC
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Post by Benj
Post by Scott
Yes, he has a record for voting in favor of gun controls....but that's
a long ways away from taking everyones guns away or "utterly
destroying the 2nd Amendment".
What part of the word "infringe" are you having a problem with?
Is a ban on certain types of firearms an "infringement"?
Is a ban on certain kinds of ammo an "infringement"?
Is allowing one person (the AG) to decide which firearms can be owned
an "infringement"?
Is registration of all gun owners and guns an "infringement"?
Is proving you are not a criminal before exercising a right an
"infringement"?
Is banning firearms that the poor can afford (remember Jim Crow?) an
"infringement"?
Is banning all handguns an "infringement"?
Is making use of a firearm for self-defense a crime an
"infringement"?
Is "gun control" an "infringement"?
Are you a moron?
No, I'm not a moron, nor am I a gun nut. So I don't interpret all
forms of gun control as "infringements".

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- Scott Smith: ***@iphouse.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
Scout
2008-10-30 19:12:22 UTC
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Post by Scott
Post by Benj
Post by Scott
Yes, he has a record for voting in favor of gun controls....but that's
a long ways away from taking everyones guns away or "utterly
destroying the 2nd Amendment".
What part of the word "infringe" are you having a problem with?
Is a ban on certain types of firearms an "infringement"?
Is a ban on certain kinds of ammo an "infringement"?
Is allowing one person (the AG) to decide which firearms can be owned
an "infringement"?
Is registration of all gun owners and guns an "infringement"?
Is proving you are not a criminal before exercising a right an
"infringement"?
Is banning firearms that the poor can afford (remember Jim Crow?) an
"infringement"?
Is banning all handguns an "infringement"?
Is making use of a firearm for self-defense a crime an
"infringement"?
Is "gun control" an "infringement"?
Are you a moron?
No, I'm not a moron, nor am I a gun nut. So I don't interpret all
forms of gun control as "infringements".
So which of the Obama supported gun control measures do you feel wouldn't be
an infringement?
RD (The Sandman)
2008-10-30 20:32:07 UTC
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Post by Scott
Post by Benj
Post by Scott
Yes, he has a record for voting in favor of gun controls....but that's
a long ways away from taking everyones guns away or "utterly
destroying the 2nd Amendment".
What part of the word "infringe" are you having a problem with?
Is a ban on certain types of firearms an "infringement"?
Is a ban on certain kinds of ammo an "infringement"?
Is allowing one person (the AG) to decide which firearms can be owned
an "infringement"?
Is registration of all gun owners and guns an "infringement"?
Is proving you are not a criminal before exercising a right an
"infringement"?
Is banning firearms that the poor can afford (remember Jim Crow?) an
"infringement"?
Is banning all handguns an "infringement"?
Is making use of a firearm for self-defense a crime an
"infringement"?
Is "gun control" an "infringement"?
Are you a moron?
No, I'm not a moron, nor am I a gun nut. So I don't interpret all
forms of gun control as "infringements".
Just what forms of gun control would you like to see and what do you
think each will accomplish?
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman


"Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that
matter...don't mind...And those that mind...don't matter."
Scott
2008-10-30 20:46:44 UTC
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:32:07 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by Thomas T. Veldhouse
Post by Scott
Post by Benj
Post by Scott
Yes, he has a record for voting in favor of gun controls....but
that's
Post by Scott
Post by Benj
Post by Scott
a long ways away from taking everyones guns away or "utterly
destroying the 2nd Amendment".
What part of the word "infringe" are you having a problem with?
Is a ban on certain types of firearms an "infringement"?
Is a ban on certain kinds of ammo an "infringement"?
Is allowing one person (the AG) to decide which firearms can be owned
an "infringement"?
Is registration of all gun owners and guns an "infringement"?
Is proving you are not a criminal before exercising a right an
"infringement"?
Is banning firearms that the poor can afford (remember Jim Crow?) an
"infringement"?
Is banning all handguns an "infringement"?
Is making use of a firearm for self-defense a crime an
"infringement"?
Is "gun control" an "infringement"?
Are you a moron?
No, I'm not a moron, nor am I a gun nut. So I don't interpret all
forms of gun control as "infringements".
Just what forms of gun control would you like to see and what do you
think each will accomplish?
Sorry, I'm not getting into the endless (and pointless) loop with you
gun nuts again. I've done that before on Usenet and it's a
worthless cause to discuss issues with folks like you, who have
already given in to their personal biases on the subject and
nothing will change their minds.


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- Scott Smith: ***@iphouse.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
Scout
2008-10-30 21:00:21 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:32:07 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by Thomas T. Veldhouse
Post by Scott
Post by Benj
Post by Scott
Yes, he has a record for voting in favor of gun controls....but
that's
Post by Scott
Post by Benj
Post by Scott
a long ways away from taking everyones guns away or "utterly
destroying the 2nd Amendment".
What part of the word "infringe" are you having a problem with?
Is a ban on certain types of firearms an "infringement"?
Is a ban on certain kinds of ammo an "infringement"?
Is allowing one person (the AG) to decide which firearms can be owned
an "infringement"?
Is registration of all gun owners and guns an "infringement"?
Is proving you are not a criminal before exercising a right an
"infringement"?
Is banning firearms that the poor can afford (remember Jim Crow?) an
"infringement"?
Is banning all handguns an "infringement"?
Is making use of a firearm for self-defense a crime an
"infringement"?
Is "gun control" an "infringement"?
Are you a moron?
No, I'm not a moron, nor am I a gun nut. So I don't interpret all
forms of gun control as "infringements".
Just what forms of gun control would you like to see and what do you
think each will accomplish?
Sorry, I'm not getting into the endless (and pointless) loop with you
gun nuts again. I've done that before on Usenet and it's a
worthless cause to discuss issues with folks like you, who have
already given in to their personal biases on the subject and
nothing will change their minds.
I see, you say not all forms of gun control aren't infringements, when you
are asked to clarify what sort of gun control isn't an infringement.....you
wimp out.

So why shouldn't someone continue to believe that gun control is an
infringement?
Scott
2008-10-30 21:10:07 UTC
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:00:21 -0400, "Scout"
Post by Scout
So why shouldn't someone continue to believe that gun control is an
infringement?
Because not ALL forms of gun control are infringements.

With rights come responsibilities.

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- Scott Smith: ***@iphouse.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
RD (The Sandman)
2008-10-30 22:08:30 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:00:21 -0400, "Scout"
Post by Scout
So why shouldn't someone continue to believe that gun control is an
infringement?
Because not ALL forms of gun control are infringements.
With rights come responsibilities.
Yep, all I asked you was what were some of those responsibilities should
I assume that I am not doing today? What is legal today that you wish
were illegal tomorrow? In short, what gun control are you looking for
and why. You say we have our minds made up.....it seems you do too. The
difference is that we will discuss and debate what we feel.....you won't.
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman


"Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that
matter...don't mind...And those that mind...don't matter."
Scout
2008-11-01 23:43:50 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:00:21 -0400, "Scout"
Post by Scout
So why shouldn't someone continue to believe that gun control is an
infringement?
Because not ALL forms of gun control are infringements.
Fine, so what forms aren't in your opinion.
Post by Scott
With rights come responsibilities.
Sure, but that doesn't answer the question.
SaPeIsMa
2008-11-02 02:02:07 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Scott
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:00:21 -0400, "Scout"
Post by Scout
So why shouldn't someone continue to believe that gun control is an
infringement?
Because not ALL forms of gun control are infringements.
Fine, so what forms aren't in your opinion.
Post by Scott
With rights come responsibilities.
Sure, but that doesn't answer the question.
You'll be waiting for a long time
smith is know for pontificating but not for answering more direct questions
That takes some effort and thought
Both appear beyond his ken
Scott Smith
2008-11-02 02:36:53 UTC
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Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Scout
Post by Scott
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:00:21 -0400, "Scout"
Post by Scout
So why shouldn't someone continue to believe that gun control is an
infringement?
Because not ALL forms of gun control are infringements.
Fine, so what forms aren't in your opinion.
Post by Scott
With rights come responsibilities.
Sure, but that doesn't answer the question.
You'll be waiting for a long time
smith is know for pontificating but not for answering more direct questions
I am? Since when?

Who the fuck are you?

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- Scott Smith: ***@iphouse.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
Scott Smith
2008-11-02 02:51:59 UTC
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Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Scout
Post by Scott
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:00:21 -0400, "Scout"
Post by Scout
So why shouldn't someone continue to believe that gun control is an
infringement?
Because not ALL forms of gun control are infringements.
Fine, so what forms aren't in your opinion.
Post by Scott
With rights come responsibilities.
Sure, but that doesn't answer the question.
You'll be waiting for a long time
smith is know for pontificating but not for answering more direct questions
I am? Since when?

Who the fuck are you?

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- Scott Smith: ***@iphouse.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
Harry Callahan
2008-11-02 08:33:22 UTC
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Post by Scott Smith
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Scout
Post by Scott
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:00:21 -0400, "Scout"
Post by Scout
So why shouldn't someone continue to believe that gun control is an
infringement?
Because not ALL forms of gun control are infringements.
Fine, so what forms aren't in your opinion.
Post by Scott
With rights come responsibilities.
Sure, but that doesn't answer the question.
You'll be waiting for a long time
smith is know for pontificating but not for answering more direct questions
I am? Since when?
Who the fuck are you?
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MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
--
"I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to
tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But
being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and
would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I
feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?"
Carl Nisarel
2008-11-02 03:28:06 UTC
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On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:02:07 -0500, "SaPeIsMa"
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Scout
Post by Scott
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:00:21 -0400, "Scout"
Post by Scout
So why shouldn't someone continue to believe that gun
control is an infringement?
Because not ALL forms of gun control are infringements.
Fine, so what forms aren't in your opinion.
Post by Scott
With rights come responsibilities.
Sure, but that doesn't answer the question.
You'll be waiting for a long time
smith is know for pontificating but not for answering more
direct questions
I am? Since when?
Who the fuck are you?
"SaPeIsMa" is Peter Saly of Minneapolis, MN

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Scout
2008-11-02 12:15:40 UTC
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Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Scout
Post by Scott
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:00:21 -0400, "Scout"
Post by Scout
So why shouldn't someone continue to believe that gun control is an
infringement?
Because not ALL forms of gun control are infringements.
Fine, so what forms aren't in your opinion.
"> I am? Since when?"

Looks like right here is an example. You've been asked this question and you
refuse to answer.
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Scout
Post by Scott
With rights come responsibilities.
Sure, but that doesn't answer the question.
You'll be waiting for a long time
smith is know for pontificating but not for answering more direct questions
That takes some effort and thought
Both appear beyond his ken
RD (The Sandman)
2008-10-30 22:06:10 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:32:07 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by Thomas T. Veldhouse
Post by Scott
Post by Benj
Post by Scott
Yes, he has a record for voting in favor of gun controls....but
that's
Post by Scott
Post by Benj
Post by Scott
a long ways away from taking everyones guns away or "utterly
destroying the 2nd Amendment".
What part of the word "infringe" are you having a problem with?
Is a ban on certain types of firearms an "infringement"?
Is a ban on certain kinds of ammo an "infringement"?
Is allowing one person (the AG) to decide which firearms can be owned
an "infringement"?
Is registration of all gun owners and guns an "infringement"?
Is proving you are not a criminal before exercising a right an
"infringement"?
Is banning firearms that the poor can afford (remember Jim Crow?) an
"infringement"?
Is banning all handguns an "infringement"?
Is making use of a firearm for self-defense a crime an
"infringement"?
Is "gun control" an "infringement"?
Are you a moron?
No, I'm not a moron, nor am I a gun nut. So I don't interpret all
forms of gun control as "infringements".
Just what forms of gun control would you like to see and what do you
think each will accomplish?
Sorry, I'm not getting into the endless (and pointless) loop with you
gun nuts again. I've done that before on Usenet and it's a
worthless cause to discuss issues with folks like you, who have
already given in to their personal biases on the subject and
nothing will change their minds.
Then why are you in here simply wasting your time? ;)
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman


"Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that
matter...don't mind...And those that mind...don't matter."
Scott Smith
2008-10-30 22:20:25 UTC
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:06:10 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by RD (The Sandman)
Post by Scott
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:32:07 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by Thomas T. Veldhouse
Post by Scott
Post by Benj
Post by Scott
Yes, he has a record for voting in favor of gun controls....but
that's
Post by Scott
Post by Benj
Post by Scott
a long ways away from taking everyones guns away or "utterly
destroying the 2nd Amendment".
What part of the word "infringe" are you having a problem with?
Is a ban on certain types of firearms an "infringement"?
Is a ban on certain kinds of ammo an "infringement"?
Is allowing one person (the AG) to decide which firearms can be owned
an "infringement"?
Is registration of all gun owners and guns an "infringement"?
Is proving you are not a criminal before exercising a right an
"infringement"?
Is banning firearms that the poor can afford (remember Jim Crow?) an
"infringement"?
Is banning all handguns an "infringement"?
Is making use of a firearm for self-defense a crime an
"infringement"?
Is "gun control" an "infringement"?
Are you a moron?
No, I'm not a moron, nor am I a gun nut. So I don't interpret all
forms of gun control as "infringements".
Just what forms of gun control would you like to see and what do you
think each will accomplish?
Sorry, I'm not getting into the endless (and pointless) loop with you
gun nuts again. I've done that before on Usenet and it's a
worthless cause to discuss issues with folks like you, who have
already given in to their personal biases on the subject and
nothing will change their minds.
Then why are you in here simply wasting your time? ;)
I didn't start the gun debate, nor do I want to continue it. It's just
not that important of an issue for me (within the spectrum of larger
issues we face as a country right now).

.
.

- Scott Smith: ***@iphouse.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
RD (The Sandman)
2008-10-31 17:41:56 UTC
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Post by Scott Smith
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:06:10 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by RD (The Sandman)
Post by Scott
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:32:07 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by Thomas T. Veldhouse
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:48:10 -0700 (PDT), Benj
Post by Benj
Post by Scott
Yes, he has a record for voting in favor of gun controls....but
that's
Post by Benj
Post by Scott
a long ways away from taking everyones guns away or "utterly
destroying the 2nd Amendment".
What part of the word "infringe" are you having a problem with?
Is a ban on certain types of firearms an "infringement"?
Is a ban on certain kinds of ammo an "infringement"?
Is allowing one person (the AG) to decide which firearms can be owned
an "infringement"?
Is registration of all gun owners and guns an "infringement"?
Is proving you are not a criminal before exercising a right an
"infringement"?
Is banning firearms that the poor can afford (remember Jim Crow?) an
"infringement"?
Is banning all handguns an "infringement"?
Is making use of a firearm for self-defense a crime an
"infringement"?
Is "gun control" an "infringement"?
Are you a moron?
No, I'm not a moron, nor am I a gun nut. So I don't interpret all
forms of gun control as "infringements".
Just what forms of gun control would you like to see and what do you
think each will accomplish?
Sorry, I'm not getting into the endless (and pointless) loop with you
gun nuts again. I've done that before on Usenet and it's a
worthless cause to discuss issues with folks like you, who have
already given in to their personal biases on the subject and
nothing will change their minds.
Then why are you in here simply wasting your time? ;)
I didn't start the gun debate, nor do I want to continue it. It's just
not that important of an issue for me (within the spectrum of larger
issues we face as a country right now).
Then you should probably remove talk.politics.guns from your newsgroup
posting list. ;)
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman


"Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that
matter...don't mind...And those that mind...don't matter."
Scott Smith
2008-10-31 18:49:31 UTC
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:41:56 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by RD (The Sandman)
Post by Scott Smith
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:06:10 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by RD (The Sandman)
Post by Scott
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:32:07 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by Thomas T. Veldhouse
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:48:10 -0700 (PDT), Benj
Post by Benj
Post by Scott
Yes, he has a record for voting in favor of gun controls....but
that's
Post by Benj
Post by Scott
a long ways away from taking everyones guns away or "utterly
destroying the 2nd Amendment".
What part of the word "infringe" are you having a problem with?
Is a ban on certain types of firearms an "infringement"?
Is a ban on certain kinds of ammo an "infringement"?
Is allowing one person (the AG) to decide which firearms can be
owned
Post by Scott Smith
Post by RD (The Sandman)
Post by Scott
Post by Thomas T. Veldhouse
Post by Benj
an "infringement"?
Is registration of all gun owners and guns an "infringement"?
Is proving you are not a criminal before exercising a right an
"infringement"?
Is banning firearms that the poor can afford (remember Jim Crow?)
an
Post by Scott Smith
Post by RD (The Sandman)
Post by Scott
Post by Thomas T. Veldhouse
Post by Benj
"infringement"?
Is banning all handguns an "infringement"?
Is making use of a firearm for self-defense a crime an
"infringement"?
Is "gun control" an "infringement"?
Are you a moron?
No, I'm not a moron, nor am I a gun nut. So I don't interpret all
forms of gun control as "infringements".
Just what forms of gun control would you like to see and what do you
think each will accomplish?
Sorry, I'm not getting into the endless (and pointless) loop with you
gun nuts again. I've done that before on Usenet and it's a
worthless cause to discuss issues with folks like you, who have
already given in to their personal biases on the subject and
nothing will change their minds.
Then why are you in here simply wasting your time? ;)
I didn't start the gun debate, nor do I want to continue it. It's just
not that important of an issue for me (within the spectrum of larger
issues we face as a country right now).
Then you should probably remove talk.politics.guns from your newsgroup
posting list. ;)
Ah, I see. Well, it's cross-posted to mn.general (Minnesota General) and
that's where I'm reading this thread. Never had any intention to open
dialog with talk.politics.guns. I'll make sure to remove it in the future.

.
.

- Scott Smith: ***@iphouse.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
RD (The Sandman)
2008-10-31 19:05:57 UTC
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Post by Scott Smith
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:41:56 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by RD (The Sandman)
Post by Scott Smith
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:06:10 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by RD (The Sandman)
Post by Scott
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:32:07 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by Thomas T. Veldhouse
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:48:10 -0700 (PDT), Benj
Post by Benj
Post by Scott
Yes, he has a record for voting in favor of gun
controls....but
that's
Post by Benj
Post by Scott
a long ways away from taking everyones guns away or "utterly
destroying the 2nd Amendment".
What part of the word "infringe" are you having a problem with?
Is a ban on certain types of firearms an "infringement"?
Is a ban on certain kinds of ammo an "infringement"?
Is allowing one person (the AG) to decide which firearms can be
owned
Post by Scott Smith
Post by RD (The Sandman)
Post by Scott
Post by Thomas T. Veldhouse
Post by Benj
an "infringement"?
Is registration of all gun owners and guns an "infringement"?
Is proving you are not a criminal before exercising a right an
"infringement"?
Is banning firearms that the poor can afford (remember Jim Crow?)
an
Post by Scott Smith
Post by RD (The Sandman)
Post by Scott
Post by Thomas T. Veldhouse
Post by Benj
"infringement"?
Is banning all handguns an "infringement"?
Is making use of a firearm for self-defense a crime an
"infringement"?
Is "gun control" an "infringement"?
Are you a moron?
No, I'm not a moron, nor am I a gun nut. So I don't interpret
all forms of gun control as "infringements".
Just what forms of gun control would you like to see and what do
you think each will accomplish?
Sorry, I'm not getting into the endless (and pointless) loop with
you gun nuts again. I've done that before on Usenet and it's a
worthless cause to discuss issues with folks like you, who have
already given in to their personal biases on the subject and
nothing will change their minds.
Then why are you in here simply wasting your time? ;)
I didn't start the gun debate, nor do I want to continue it. It's
just not that important of an issue for me (within the spectrum of
larger issues we face as a country right now).
Then you should probably remove talk.politics.guns from your newsgroup
posting list. ;)
Ah, I see. Well, it's cross-posted to mn.general (Minnesota General)
and that's where I'm reading this thread. Never had any intention to
open dialog with talk.politics.guns. I'll make sure to remove it in
the future.
Not a problem, just a suggestion since you don't wish to dabate those
issues.

BTW, what part of Mn you in? I went to high school in Rochester. Of
course, that was *few* years ago. ;)
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman


"Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that
matter...don't mind...And those that mind...don't matter."
Scott Smith
2008-10-31 20:43:44 UTC
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:05:57 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by RD (The Sandman)
Post by Scott Smith
Ah, I see. Well, it's cross-posted to mn.general (Minnesota General)
and that's where I'm reading this thread. Never had any intention to
open dialog with talk.politics.guns. I'll make sure to remove it in
the future.
Not a problem, just a suggestion since you don't wish to dabate those
issues.
BTW, what part of Mn you in? I went to high school in Rochester. Of
course, that was *few* years ago. ;)
We're in the Twin Cities (Minneapolis/St. Paul) and we love it here...
of course both me and my wife grew up here, so YMMV.

After living overseas (Germany) and in San Antonio, Los Angeles,
Chicago and New York/New Jersey...I'm glad to finally be rooted back
home for good.

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- Scott Smith: ***@iphouse.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
RD (The Sandman)
2008-10-31 22:09:41 UTC
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Post by Scott Smith
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:05:57 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by RD (The Sandman)
Post by Scott Smith
Ah, I see. Well, it's cross-posted to mn.general (Minnesota General)
and that's where I'm reading this thread. Never had any intention to
open dialog with talk.politics.guns. I'll make sure to remove it in
the future.
Not a problem, just a suggestion since you don't wish to dabate those
issues.
BTW, what part of Mn you in? I went to high school in Rochester. Of
course, that was *few* years ago. ;)
We're in the Twin Cities (Minneapolis/St. Paul) and we love it here...
of course both me and my wife grew up here, so YMMV.
After living overseas (Germany) and in San Antonio, Los Angeles,
Chicago and New York/New Jersey...I'm glad to finally be rooted back
home for good.
Hang in there, mon ami. For a reminder of Minnesota winters you may wish
to take a look at this. Do a net search for 6664.wmv. It is titled
"Yellow snow" but hang in there and look at it. ;)
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman


"Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that
matter...don't mind...And those that mind...don't matter."
WDS
2008-10-29 21:59:02 UTC
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Post by Sarah Houston
One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd Amendment.
Since you are so certain of this I'll tell you what. I'll bet you a
$100 contribution to a charity that if Obama is elected this doesn't
happen. OK?
Sarah Houston
2008-10-29 22:03:03 UTC
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Post by WDS
Post by Sarah Houston
One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd Amendment.
Since you are so certain of this I'll tell you what. I'll bet you a
$100 contribution to a charity that if Obama is elected this doesn't
happen. OK?
"I don't believe people should be able to own guns." -- Barack Obama
Scott Smith
2008-10-29 22:54:27 UTC
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Post by Sarah Houston
Post by WDS
Post by Sarah Houston
One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd Amendment.
Since you are so certain of this I'll tell you what. I'll bet you a
$100 contribution to a charity that if Obama is elected this doesn't
happen. OK?
"I don't believe people should be able to own guns." -- Barack Obama
Do you have a date and source for that "quote"...because it
sounds like pure bullshit to me.

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- Scott Smith: ***@iphouse.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
Jim Elwell
2008-10-30 19:42:47 UTC
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Post by Scott Smith
Post by Sarah Houston
"I don't believe people should be able to own guns." -- Barack Obama
Do you have a date and source for that "quote"...because it
sounds like pure bullshit to me.
The "source" is the unsubstantiated recollection of a conversation that
John Lott had with Obama years ago when they were both at the University
of Chicago. He revealed it on Medved's radio show for the first time
this week.

You remember Lott (AKA Mary Rosh), right? The mysterious disappearing
survey, dodgy use of statistics, frivolous law-suits, admitted
sock-puppetery (reviewing his own books on Amazon and gushing about what
a great teacher he is). He seems to have a pathological need to insert
himself into controversial topics (ranging from dioxin toxicity to
claims that media coverage is biased in favor of black quarterbacks) and
cherry-picks, massages, or apparently fabricates data to support his
position.
Scott
2008-10-30 18:55:27 UTC
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Post by Jim Elwell
Post by Scott Smith
Post by Sarah Houston
"I don't believe people should be able to own guns." -- Barack Obama
Do you have a date and source for that "quote"...because it
sounds like pure bullshit to me.
The "source" is the unsubstantiated recollection of a conversation that
John Lott had with Obama years ago when they were both at the University
of Chicago. He revealed it on Medved's radio show for the first time
this week.
Ah, I see....so it probably is bullshit.
Post by Jim Elwell
You remember Lott (AKA Mary Rosh), right? The mysterious disappearing
survey, dodgy use of statistics, frivolous law-suits, admitted
sock-puppetery (reviewing his own books on Amazon and gushing about what
a great teacher he is). He seems to have a pathological need to insert
himself into controversial topics (ranging from dioxin toxicity to
claims that media coverage is biased in favor of black quarterbacks) and
cherry-picks, massages, or apparently fabricates data to support his
position.
All you had to say was John Lott was involved...I know the rest. ;-)

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- Scott Smith: ***@iphouse.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
WDS
2008-10-30 02:05:08 UTC
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Post by Sarah Houston
One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd Amendment.
Since you are so certain of this I'll tell you what.  I'll bet you a
$100 contribution to a charity that if Obama is elected this doesn't
happen.  OK?
 "I don't believe people should be able to own guns." -- Barack Obama
Right, so put up or shut up.
Gladys
2008-10-30 12:27:47 UTC
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Post by WDS
Post by Sarah Houston
Post by WDS
Post by Sarah Houston
One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd Amendment.
Since you are so certain of this I'll tell you what. I'll bet you a
$100 contribution to a charity that if Obama is elected this doesn't
happen. OK?
"I don't believe people should be able to own guns." -- Barack Obama
Right, so put up or shut up.
Please. Enough with the bullshit propaganda (are you a marxist??) LOL.

Put some cash on the line - or STFU.
Gladys
2008-10-30 12:26:45 UTC
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Post by Sarah Houston
Post by WDS
Post by Sarah Houston
One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd Amendment.
Since you are so certain of this I'll tell you what. I'll bet you a
$100 contribution to a charity that if Obama is elected this doesn't
happen. OK?
"I don't believe people should be able to own guns." -- Barack Obama
"I don't believe that people have anything good to say about me". --
John McCain
D. A. Tsenuf
2008-10-30 20:14:20 UTC
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Post by Gladys
Post by Sarah Houston
Post by WDS
Post by Sarah Houston
One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd Amendment.
Since you are so certain of this I'll tell you what. I'll bet you a
$100 contribution to a charity that if Obama is elected this doesn't
happen. OK?
"I don't believe people should be able to own guns." -- Barack Obama
"I don't believe that people have anything good to say about me". --
John McCain
"I don't believe that I have anything intelligent to say" -- Gladys
Gladys
2008-10-30 12:25:52 UTC
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Post by Sarah Houston
Seriously?
One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd Amendment.
Looks like you'll get to put your money where your mouth is on this one
Sarah. How about it? Care to make a wager?

Gladys.
RD (The Sandman)
2008-10-30 17:05:21 UTC
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Post by Sarah Houston
Post by Scott
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:25:41 -0700 (PDT), Elizabeth Johnson
Post by Elizabeth Johnson
GUN SALES UP - Barack Hussein Obama is the cause
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/10/29/1000501/Guns-Sales-Up-in-Texas
Avoid HELTER SKELTER race wars! .. Play it safe.. VOTE McCain!
It's Texas...it doesn't take much to get them to buy more guns.
And FYI, they are buying them because they are afraid Obama will
pass a ban on assault rifles (which may or may not happen)
Seriously?
One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd Amendment.
During his first term he will replace at least two justices and possibly
three. That would make the Heller decision 4 - 5.
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman


"Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that
matter...don't mind...And those that mind...don't matter."
Scott
2008-10-30 17:13:41 UTC
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:05:21 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by RD (The Sandman)
Post by Sarah Houston
Post by Scott
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:25:41 -0700 (PDT), Elizabeth Johnson
Post by Elizabeth Johnson
GUN SALES UP - Barack Hussein Obama is the cause
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/10/29/1000501/Guns-Sales-Up-in-Texas
Avoid HELTER SKELTER race wars! .. Play it safe.. VOTE McCain!
It's Texas...it doesn't take much to get them to buy more guns.
And FYI, they are buying them because they are afraid Obama will
pass a ban on assault rifles (which may or may not happen)
Seriously?
One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd Amendment.
During his first term he will replace at least two justices and possibly
three.
I certainly hope so.

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- Scott Smith: ***@iphouse.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
RD (The Sandman)
2008-10-30 18:27:33 UTC
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Post by Scott
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:05:21 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
Post by RD (The Sandman)
Post by Sarah Houston
Post by Scott
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:25:41 -0700 (PDT), Elizabeth Johnson
Post by Elizabeth Johnson
GUN SALES UP - Barack Hussein Obama is the cause
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/10/29/1000501/Guns-Sales-Up-in-Texas
Avoid HELTER SKELTER race wars! .. Play it safe.. VOTE McCain!
It's Texas...it doesn't take much to get them to buy more guns.
And FYI, they are buying them because they are afraid Obama will
pass a ban on assault rifles (which may or may not happen)
Seriously?
One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd
Amendment.
Post by Scott
Post by RD (The Sandman)
During his first term he will replace at least two justices and possibly
three.
I certainly hope so.
IOW, you wish to see the Constitution interpreted differently. There is
an amendment process, why don't you use that instead of legislating from
the bench.

FWIW, do you agree with the Supremes on Kelo? That was your side, after
all.
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman


"Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that
matter...don't mind...And those that mind...don't matter."
WDS
2008-10-30 20:00:00 UTC
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On Oct 30, 1:27 pm, "RD (The Sandman)"
IOW, you  wish to see the Constitution interpreted differently.  There is
an amendment process, why don't you use that instead of legislating from
the bench.  
Of course you want "legislation from the bench", too, just in your
favor. Modern conservatives trample on the constitution just as much
if not moreso than modern liberals.
Scott Smith
2008-10-30 22:18:42 UTC
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Post by WDS
On Oct 30, 1:27 pm, "RD (The Sandman)"
IOW, you  wish to see the Constitution interpreted differently.  There is
an amendment process, why don't you use that instead of legislating from
the bench.  
Of course you want "legislation from the bench", too, just in your
favor. Modern conservatives trample on the constitution just as much
if not moreso than modern liberals.
Conservatives have been doing it "more so" lately.

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- Scott Smith: ***@iphouse.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
Sarah Houston
2008-10-31 05:59:40 UTC
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Post by RD (The Sandman)
Post by Sarah Houston
Post by Scott
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:25:41 -0700 (PDT), Elizabeth Johnson
Post by Elizabeth Johnson
GUN SALES UP - Barack Hussein Obama is the cause
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/10/29/1000501/Guns-Sales-Up-in-Texas
Avoid HELTER SKELTER race wars! .. Play it safe.. VOTE McCain!
It's Texas...it doesn't take much to get them to buy more guns.
And FYI, they are buying them because they are afraid Obama will
pass a ban on assault rifles (which may or may not happen)
Seriously?
One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd
Amendment.
During his first term he will replace at least two justices and
possibly three. That would make the Heller decision 4 - 5.
If Obama wins, we may as well rename this the USSA ( United Socialist
States of America ).
Scott Smith
2008-10-31 08:24:47 UTC
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Post by Sarah Houston
If Obama wins, we may as well rename this the USSA ( United Socialist
States of America ).
Paranoid much?

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- Scott Smith: ***@iphouse.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
RD (The Sandman)
2008-10-31 17:43:53 UTC
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:59:40 -0500, Sarah Houston
Post by Sarah Houston
If Obama wins, we may as well rename this the USSA ( United Socialist
States of America ).
Paranoid much?
Not at all.....just going by his previous voting record.
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Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

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"Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that
matter...don't mind...And those that mind...don't matter."
Sarah Houston
2008-11-01 01:30:06 UTC
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:59:40 -0500, Sarah Houston
Post by Sarah Houston
If Obama wins, we may as well rename this the USSA ( United Socialist
States of America ).
Paranoid much?
Not at all.....just going by his previous voting record.
Even left of Ted "Buy me a drink" Kennedy.
Sarah Houston
2008-11-01 01:24:04 UTC
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:59:40 -0500, Sarah Houston
Post by Sarah Houston
If Obama wins, we may as well rename this the USSA ( United Socialist
States of America ).
Paranoid much?
Realistic.
WDS
2008-10-31 14:29:12 UTC
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Post by RD (The Sandman)
Post by Sarah Houston
Post by Scott
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:25:41 -0700 (PDT), Elizabeth Johnson
Post by Elizabeth Johnson
GUN SALES UP - Barack Hussein Obama is the cause
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/10/29/1000501/Guns-Sales-Up-in-Texas
Avoid HELTER SKELTER race wars!  .. Play it safe.. VOTE McCain!
It's Texas...it doesn't take much to get them to buy more guns.
And FYI, they are buying them because they are afraid Obama will
pass a ban on assault rifles (which may or may not happen)
Seriously?
One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd
Amendment.
During his first term he will replace at least two justices and
possibly three.  That would make the Heller decision 4 - 5.
If Obama wins, we may as well rename this the USSA ( United Socialist
States of America ).
So, are you going to pony up the $100 or are you the gutless windbag
you appear to be?
WDS
2008-11-06 20:57:26 UTC
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Post by Sarah Houston
Post by RD (The Sandman)
Post by Sarah Houston
One of his first agendas will be to utterly destroy the 2nd Amendment.
During his first term he will replace at least two justices and
possibly three.  That would make the Heller decision 4 - 5.
If Obama wins, we may as well rename this the USSA ( United Socialist
States of America ).
So, are you going to pony up the $100 or are you the gutless windbag
you appear to be?
So, where's your $100?

Thomas T. Veldhouse
2008-10-29 20:36:54 UTC
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Post by Elizabeth Johnson
GUN SALES UP - Barack Hussein Obama is the cause
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/10/29/1000501/Guns-Sales-Up-in-Texas
Since he will NEVER get semi-automatic pistols outlawed, the only thing that
really should be worried about is the resurgence of gun control and the
assualt rifle ban which included large capacity clips [which meant most 9mm
magazines from the non-ban era will not be legal for new production sale].

In short, recreational rifle sales will escalate and large [above 10 round]
capacity magazine sales will escalate.

Your intentional use of Obama's middle name is purely a ploy by you to somehow
connect him to Saddam Hussein and to therefor make him appear a villain.
While I am NOT voting for him, I don't think semantic crap like you are using
is worth a damn [yes, I have seen that worthless email chain about him].

Just because you [and I] do not agree with the man doesn't mean he is a bad or
evil man. You will NOT convince me that your inclusion of his middle name had
any other intent than I have suggested either.

If an American decended citizen was running for President in, let's say,
Jordon and his middle name was Tim or Timothy, would you automatically point
that out and consider him somehow an equal to the Oklahoma City bomber? Scum
like you would do just that I suppose.

I have changed the subject after addressing your immediate point and then
calling attention to your REAL intent. Now go away.
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Thomas T. Veldhouse

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